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#12018-05-28 10:13:27
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Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
After years, Garmin has released a new version of Basecamp, 4.7.0
This is not an improved at all, Garmin only removed features and introduced a serious bug:
Maps that were installed within the windows register (by installer or setup.exe) and are transferred to the GPS with Garmin's Mapinstall, are not readable on the GPS! So do not update to 4.7 and stick with the old version 4.6.2.
If you already have installed it, just uninstall it and download the old version here: http://www.gawisp.com/perry/mapsource
This is not an improved at all, Garmin only removed features and introduced a serious bug:
Maps that were installed within the windows register (by installer or setup.exe) and are transferred to the GPS with Garmin's Mapinstall, are not readable on the GPS! So do not update to 4.7 and stick with the old version 4.6.2.
If you already have installed it, just uninstall it and download the old version here: http://www.gawisp.com/perry/mapsource
Update November 2019:
Garmin has solved this issue with version 4.7.1.
Garmin has solved this issue with version 4.7.1.
Last edited by ligfietser (2019-11-03 19:57:50)
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#22018-05-28 12:34:11
Changes made from version 2.0.9 to 3.0.1: Added download, display, and transfer of BirdsEye satellite imagery to supported devices. Added download, display and transfer of Garmin Custom Maps to supported devices. Added the ability to use BaseCamp with the pre-installed maps on a connected device or pre-programmed SD card. Added poster printing. Garmin released version 4.6.2 of the BaseCamp software for Microsoft Windows on February 12, 2016. Version 4.6.2 is a relatively minor update, fixing 1 issue from the previous version. Garmin BaseCamp is software to view and organize your maps, waypoints, routes, and tracks and send them to.
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Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
#32018-05-28 12:46:57
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Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
It is actually MapInstall, which got a bug. BaseCamp probably had some spying features removed, at least I think this is the case with change described as 'Updated BaseCamp to conform to GDPR requirements'.
Current MapInstall sends overview map instead of detailed tiles. Probably it would be enough to preserve previous version of MapInstall.exe and restore it after update.
#42018-06-04 12:37:58
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
Thanks ligfietser,
Yesterday i found lot off problems and then i say your message in this forum. I downgrade base camp and all things are fine now.
fred-biker op de fiets of lopend
Eerst het veldwerk en daarna het maken van de kaart.
Eerst het veldwerk en daarna het maken van de kaart.
#52018-06-05 11:41:37
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Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
Graag gedaan Fred.
For gps problems and new garmin updates always check forum.gps.nl you never know what to expect
For gps problems and new garmin updates always check forum.gps.nl you never know what to expect
#62018-06-21 18:35:53
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
Unfortunately I updated Basecamp before seing this.
Is there a place where I could download Mapinstall 4.0.4?
I would assume that it does not have the bug?
Dan
Is there a place where I could download Mapinstall 4.0.4?
I would assume that it does not have the bug?
Dan
Last edited by grokit (2018-06-21 18:37:45)
#72018-06-21 20:22:12
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Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
De link is in the first post http://www.gawisp.com/perry/mapsource/
#82018-06-21 21:21:52
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
I should learn to read. :-)
Thanks.
Thanks.
Remove/re-install MapInstall 4.0.4 did not work.
I had to do the whole thing (uninstall all and reinstall older Basecamp).. But I'm back in operation. Download works again.
I had to do the whole thing (uninstall all and reinstall older Basecamp).. But I'm back in operation. Download works again.
Thanks for all the help here!
Dan
#92018-06-22 08:01:03
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Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
Well, it was a good question, reinstalling an older Mapinstall was not such a bad idea. Unfortunately this shows that this issue also included Basecamp itself. Unbelievable that they still haven't fixed this until now, they just seem they don't care.
#102018-06-22 19:24:39
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
ligfietser wrote:Well, it was a good question, reinstalling an older Mapinstall was not such a bad idea. Unfortunately this shows that this issue also included Basecamp itself. Unbelievable that they still haven't fixed this until now, they just seem they don't care.
here is what I experienced. perhaps it helps
- uninstalling mapinstall 4.2
- installing mapinstall 4.0.4
- starting mapinstall, it still shows as version 4.2 (?). perhaps there is a component or dll that is reusedfrom basecamp 4.7.0
- copy maps to device
- uninstalled basecamp 4.7.0, mapinstall was not uninstalled.
- uninstalled mapinstall
- installed basecamp 4.6.2, mapinstall was not installed
- installed mapinstalled 4.0.4
- mapinstall would not start with an error about a missing language dll
- sfc /scannow did not fix
- uninstalled mapinstall, uninstalled basecamp, reboot
- installed mapinstall 4.0.4
- installed basecamp 4.6.2
- all working again fine..
- uninstalling mapinstall 4.2
- installing mapinstall 4.0.4
- starting mapinstall, it still shows as version 4.2 (?). perhaps there is a component or dll that is reusedfrom basecamp 4.7.0
- copy maps to device
- uninstalled basecamp 4.7.0, mapinstall was not uninstalled.
- uninstalled mapinstall
- installed basecamp 4.6.2, mapinstall was not installed
- installed mapinstalled 4.0.4
- mapinstall would not start with an error about a missing language dll
- sfc /scannow did not fix
- uninstalled mapinstall, uninstalled basecamp, reboot
- installed mapinstall 4.0.4
- installed basecamp 4.6.2
- all working again fine..
#112018-07-09 10:28:08
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
I learn to read as well , but I cannot figure out where to find Mapinstall 4.0.4 in the 'perry'link ( i do see Basecamp 462)
As such, please advise where to find the previous Mapinstall 4.0.4.
Thanks
grokit wrote:I should learn to read. :-)
Thanks.
Thanks.
Remove/re-install MapInstall 4.0.4 did not work.
I had to do the whole thing (uninstall all and reinstall older Basecamp).. But I'm back in operation. Download works again.
I had to do the whole thing (uninstall all and reinstall older Basecamp).. But I'm back in operation. Download works again.
Thanks for all the help here!
Dan
#122018-07-10 11:04:00
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
As advised:
I have completely removed the latest Basecamp version 4.7.0.
Runned CCLeaner to get rid of any unwanted registerlinks (if)
Installed Basecamp 4.6.2. which I downloaded from http://www.gawisp.com/perry/mapsource/
Luckely, after a while, all existing stored Routes, Waypoints and OSD-Maps re-appeared as normal.
Succesfully runned Mapinstall to install all tiles of the selected OSD map on the Garmin device.
@ ligfietser: Thanks for the guidance.
Runned CCLeaner to get rid of any unwanted registerlinks (if)
Installed Basecamp 4.6.2. which I downloaded from http://www.gawisp.com/perry/mapsource/
Luckely, after a while, all existing stored Routes, Waypoints and OSD-Maps re-appeared as normal.
Succesfully runned Mapinstall to install all tiles of the selected OSD map on the Garmin device.
@ ligfietser: Thanks for the guidance.
#132018-07-27 19:43:40
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Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
Oh boy. Took me a while to figure this out (thanks Google ), after trying partial installs, combining maps etc. I also think MapInstall might be the culprit, since I first tried to install the latest version (4.2.0, IIRC), and that one is also broken. Then I downgraded Basecamp to 4.6.2 and still maps were not properly installed. I had to uninstall MapInstall for map installation to work again.
It's interesting that, if you install a map with the broken version, and then you check what's installed with MapInstall, it seems to show one tile from the whole map.
Thanks for the great info!
#142018-08-12 02:14:11
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
I'm having the same problem as others. I uninstalled BaseCamp 4.7.0 and re-installed 4.6.2, but the problem persists. I assumed that when I un/re-installed BaseCamp, it would automatically un/reinstall MapInstall, but perhaps not from what fencekicker says. How does one un/re-install MapInstall? It's not listed in Windows 7 as an un-installable program.
(BTW, I took some screenshots to illustrate the problem but can't find any way of attaching them.)
Thanks for any help!
#152018-08-12 15:56:10
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
Uninstalled BaseCamp 4.6.2 then manually deleted C:Program Files (x86)Garmin, then reinstalled BaseCamp 4.6.2. This worked, creating a new C:Program Files (x86)GarminMapInstall directory. I can once again install maps in my Edge!
#162018-08-16 17:28:42
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
I'm experiencing the same problem. However I need to access Basecamp 4.6.2 for Mac OS. The link in the first post is for Windows versions. Does anyone have a link for the Mac version? Also i have a several years worth of tracks/routes/waypoints connected with my current Basecamp application. Will these be retained when I uninstall Basecamp 4.7.0?
Grateful for some guidance
#172018-08-16 17:34:34
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Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
Here you can find the files for Mac: http://gawisp.com/perry/macintosh/ (4.6.3. is the former version).
Uninstalling won't affect your data, at least for the Windows version, I assume it is the same for the Mac but I'm not sure.
Uninstalling won't affect your data, at least for the Windows version, I assume it is the same for the Mac but I'm not sure.
#182018-08-16 17:41:47
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
I have the same problem with not showing installed OSM maps in latest Basecamp 4.2.4 in macOS. Is there a similar solution somewhere for Mac? A place to download older Basecamp versions? Thanks in advance!
#192018-08-16 19:34:13
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
Polimo wrote:I have the same problem with not showing installed OSM maps in latest Basecamp 4.2.4 in macOS. Is there a similar solution somewhere for Mac? A place to download older Basecamp versions? Thanks in advance!
The version you have is already many, many versions behind, so I doubt you need an even older version. You could try updating to 4.6.3 to gain the benefits of the various revisions that have been made since 2013 and still avoid the issue from the latest version.
#202018-08-16 21:29:13
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
alester wrote:Polimo wrote:I have the same problem with not showing installed OSM maps in latest Basecamp 4.2.4 in macOS. Is there a similar solution somewhere for Mac? A place to download older Basecamp versions? Thanks in advance!
The version you have is already many, many versions behind, so I doubt you need an even older version. You could try updating to 4.6.3 to gain the benefits of the various revisions that have been made since 2013 and still avoid the issue from the latest version.
Hmmm, remarkable! I was not aware. Thanks for making me aware. When I scan for updates in Basecamp it says 'No updates available for program'
Still... the problem of not showing installed OSM maps may not be Basecamp related but Garmin MapInstall or Garmin MapManager related?
Still... the problem of not showing installed OSM maps may not be Basecamp related but Garmin MapInstall or Garmin MapManager related?
Garmin Basecamp Version 4.6.2
#212018-08-17 08:24:33
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
Polimo wrote:alester wrote:Polimo wrote:I have the same problem with not showing installed OSM maps in latest Basecamp 4.2.4 in macOS. Is there a similar solution somewhere for Mac? A place to download older Basecamp versions? Thanks in advance!
The version you have is already many, many versions behind, so I doubt you need an even older version. You could try updating to 4.6.3 to gain the benefits of the various revisions that have been made since 2013 and still avoid the issue from the latest version.
Hmmm, remarkable! I was not aware. Thanks for making me aware. When I scan for updates in Basecamp it says 'No updates available for program'
Still... the problem of not showing installed OSM maps may not be Basecamp related but Garmin MapInstall or Garmin MapManager related?
Still... the problem of not showing installed OSM maps may not be Basecamp related but Garmin MapInstall or Garmin MapManager related?
I upgraded to Basecamp 4.6.3 but that doesn't cure the no showing of installed OSM maps. Garmin maps show without problems. Is Garmin preventing use of OSM maps in Basecamp in some other way?
#222018-08-17 09:10:07
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
ligfietser wrote:Here you can find the files for Mac: http://gawisp.com/perry/macintosh/ (4.6.3. is the former version).
Uninstalling won't affect your data, at least for the Windows version, I assume it is the same for the Mac but I'm not sure.
Uninstalling won't affect your data, at least for the Windows version, I assume it is the same for the Mac but I'm not sure.
Worked fine thanks. And I backed up my old Garmin Basecamp so managed to retrieve all my track and route data with no risk.
Thanks again for the help. Your online routeable maps are great.
Regards,
Bob Allen
#232018-08-17 11:02:36
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Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
Polimo wrote:I upgraded to Basecamp 4.6.3 but that doesn't cure the no showing of installed OSM maps. Garmin maps show without problems. Is Garmin preventing use of OSM maps in Basecamp in some other way?
Basecamp 2
No (at least not yet)
Try http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html to check if something went wrong with the installed maps.
Try http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html to check if something went wrong with the installed maps.
#242018-08-17 17:10:45
Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
ligfietser wrote:Polimo wrote:I upgraded to Basecamp 4.6.3 but that doesn't cure the no showing of installed OSM maps. Garmin maps show without problems. Is Garmin preventing use of OSM maps in Basecamp in some other way?
No (at least not yet)
Try http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html to check if something went wrong with the installed maps.
Try http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html to check if something went wrong with the installed maps.
Bedankt voor de tip ligfietser! Thanks for the tip! Indeed, I seem to have overlapping names. Is it possible to download additional OSM maps and give them an other name than 'OSM generic routable (new style)'?
#252018-08-18 08:26:54
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Re: Warning: do not update Basecamp! [Solved]
Polimo, yes you can do this with GMTK, in the menu 'Extra', you can change the name of the map and important, the family ID (submenu kaartnaam en ID wijzigen). The country sets already have an unique name and ID but the custom maps always have the same one.
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MapInstall 4.2.0 is broken. You will get it by updating to Basecamp 4.7.0 - however also individual update can happen. MapInstall 4.3.2 (part of Basecamp 4.8.4) is fixed - but so far only available to Apple Mac OS x users - not for Windows. Note however - Basecamp 4.8.4 only runs stable in english - translated version are very buggy!
Garmin released a new version of Basecamp - 4.7.0 - in order to remove many features that were not in accordance with the GDPR regulation. Actually it's not that 4.6.2 is wrong here - it's that there were a few web services - that Garmin switched off - and those were interlinked into 4.6.2 - so that actually in 4.6.2 some functionality is not working anymore - I could on a quick check however not discover any actual difference otherwise in relation to the GDPR regulations - so 4.6.2 is no different in this regard to 4.7.0 - well and new privacy page/EULA of course).
The big problem is that Basecamp 4.7.0 also ships an updated version of Garmin MapInstall - and that version is broken in so far that it does not reliably/correctly send any maps in .img format anymore! This also applies to original older garmin maps.
On Windows instead of the actual map - only the overview map is sent - so you will have a nearly 'empty' map.
On Mac OS x the problem with MapInstall 4.2.0 is that it will often crash while sending maps. This got fixed with MapInstall 4.3.2. Do not update to Basecamp 4.8.x if using Basecamp in any language but english however - as the translated versions have countless serious bugs.
Switch to the relevant tab for information on how to downgrade to Basecamp 4.6.2/4.6.3 on Windows respectively Mac OS x
If you are a Windows user and upgraded to 4.7.0 you have 4 choices:
- a) Use the gmapsupp.img Downloads instead (not available for Europe or Asia continent map however, but for all other maps): https://openmtbmap.org/download/gmapsupp/
- b) Only downgrade MapInstall to 4.0.4: In order to Downgrade first uninstall MapInstall via Windows system uninstall, then simply go to C:Program Files (x86)GarminMapInstall folder - then delete all the content of the folder but not of subfolders. Especially leave the 'Maps' subfolder. Then Install MapInstall 4.0.4 - Download from here: http://www8.garmin.com/software/MapInstall_404.exe
- c) Downgrade to Basecamp v 4.6.2: it can be found here: http://www.gawisp.com/perry/mapsource/BaseCamp_462.exe
- ATTENTION - you need to first uninstall Garmin Basecamp, Garmin MapInstall, Garmin Express, and any other Garmin Software via Windows 'Add or Remove Software' except Garmin Mapsource (if you have Mapsource installed, do not delete it because you might lose data saved in Mapsource). As the user data of Garmin Basecamp, Garmin Express or Garmin Homeport is saved in a separate database - you will not lose it.Then Install Basecamp 4.6.2.
- If you simply install 4.6.2 without uninstalling Garmin Basecamp and Garmin Express, Mapinstall will not be downgraded. Alternatively if you are afraid about losing data - you could first delete the content from C:Program Files (x86)GarminMapInstall folder (but not of subfolders) - then ONLY uninstall Garmin Basecamp via Windows system 'Add or remove programs' - then Install Basecamp 4.6.2.
- d) Use the plain old Garmin Mapsource for sending maps. Yes it still works if you know what to do - just note that it does not check any maps installed - so do not send maps twice. Also it cannot like MapInstall overcome the 4GB limit by splitting up maps that you are sending. Else of course it cannot correctly show the contourlines - but sending maps will work. Mapsource 6.16.3 can be downloaded here: http://www.gawisp.com/perry/mapsource/MapSource_6163.exe
- e) download the Mac OS x version of all openmtbmaps/velomaps in .gmap format. You can install them by placing them into the C:ProgramDataGARMINmapsmtbCOUNTRY.gmap respectively C:ProgramDataGARMINmapsveloCOUNTRY.gmap and better read the OS x tutorial too: https://openmtbmap.org/tutorials/install-maps-mac-osx/ respectively for Velomap users here: https://www.velomap.org/tutorials/install-maps-mac-osx/
- f) Use the create_gmapsupp_img_with_mkgmap.bat Script - this will only work for Maps <4GB however. And you can only install full maps. It is found in the map Installation folder. It requires Java JDK installation and java added to Windows path.
- Alternatively you can use the create_gmapsupp_img.bat Script - however mind that address search is not possible then.
Actually right now only a part of the overview map is sent - it would be nice if Garmin could send the overview maps in general too - as right now they are only used on Desktop. Would actually speed up the GPS devices a bit - especially if you have no activated Basemap on your device.
Restore Tracks/Routes that you created in Basecamp 4.7.0
If you chose to downgrade Basecamp and already created tracks/routes with 4.7.0 you will need to restore them. While updating/downgrading does not delete any of your data - routes/tracks that you planned with Basecamp 4.7.0 will not appear in Basecamp 4.6.2 after downgrade - only routes/tracks that you had planned before the 4.7.0 update will show up.
To solve that go to:
Garmin Basecamp 4.5.2 Download
C:UsersYOUR_USERNAMEAppDataRoamingGarminBaseCampDatabase
(note AppData is a hidden folder - you may have to enable windows file explorer to show hidden files and folders)
Now you rename folder 4.6 to 4.6.backup and 4.7 to 4.7.backup
Copy folder 4.7.backup and Rename it to 4.6
In Case of Problems with Reinstalling Basecamp - downgrading MapInstall:
Deinstall All Garmin tools/programs via Windows 'Change or Remove a Program'. Then delete the Garmin Folder in 'C:Program Files (x86)'. Then Reinstall all Garmin tools/Programs and make sure to use old enough versions (as linked here).
IMHO you do not need to clean the registry of any Garmin entry, nor do you need to remove any Garmin folders that are somewhere else then Program Files folders (so far all Garmin tools are x86 and not 64 bit - it's possible this will change in future - so then also delete Garmin folder inside 'C:Program Files'.
You can still downgrade to 4.6.3 for the missing functionality. However MapInstall 4.3.2 or later is fixed (at least with the download directly from Garmin or from here - the Mac Appstore version sometimes does not update MapInstall) - so just make sure not to use Basecamp 4.7. and if you upgrade to Basecamp 4.8.4 or later.
You can Either Downgrade/Upgrade MapInstall only, Or Downgrade Mapinstall and Basecamp
While windows users have good alternatives to Garmin MapInstall - on OS x the only real alternative is to use mkgmap.jar to create gmapsupp.img files. That is not so easy to do and requires Java JDK properly configured. However MapInstall 4.3.2 is fixed - so either downgrade to Basecamp 4.6.3 or upgrade to Basecamp 4.8.4 or later.
- a) Use the gmapsupp.img Downloads instead (not available for Europe or Asia continent map however, but for all other maps): https://openmtbmap.org/download/gmapsupp/
- b) Upgrade to Basecamp 4.8.4 or later: https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=4449
- Attention - best get it directly from Garmin or from here - and not via Appstore. I have heard from people that the version from the Appstore only updated Basecamp but the got stuck with MapInstall 4.2.0 instead of 4.3.2
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- c) Downgrade to Basecamp 4.6.3 - To do so first Uninstall Garmin Basecamp 4.7.0 Then make sure that also Garmin MapInstall installation folder is removed/empty - If not uninstall all other Garmin software too. Then install Basecamp 4.6.3.
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- d) You could try to simply Install Garmin MapInstall 4.1.1. - I'm not sure if this works by just executing the installer. I think not. That means you first have to uninstall Mapinstall 4.2.0 - then Install only MapInstall 4.1.1 / MapManager 4.1.1. That way you could keep Basecamp 4.7.0 but I don't know why you would like to do so as Basecamp 4.7.0 is only a regression.
Basecamp for OS x can be downloaded here:
http://www.gawisp.com/perry/macintosh/ (here you find all Garmin Tools for Mac OS x for download - if you miss something else)
Garmin Basecamp For Mac Download
MapInstall and MapManager for Mac can be downloaded here: